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about the budget, if we can. december 13th deadline. you know that paul ryan and patty murray have been working on a framework. they're talking about something like a trillion dollars, which is more than paul ryan wanted, less than patty murray wanted, but also talking about new fees to raise revenue instead of tax hikes. from what you're hearing this general framework, could you support it? >> well, it depends. the trillion dollars you're talking about is higher than what the existing law is and i would point out that speaking of existing law, we have one that specifies the level of discretionary spending. specifies that at $967 billion. so from my point of view if we're going to spend more than that, then we ought to find offsetting savings some where else, which i'm very much open to. i know our friends on the other side of the aisle want there to be revenue. we're not going to support tax increases. are there some categories of revenue that are of a different nature? >> such as? >> for instance, federal employees have very generous retirement plans. if we asked them to contribute a
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